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All right. Welcome back to another episode of the Assessment Alchemist podcast. My name is Tina Wiles, and I am so excited to have Mel Haskins P back. Back with us again. And so Mel has been on a previous episode, and it's been a year, since she passed her P e and I chair to show I proudly keep up on my wall.
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Your your stamp because I am so proud of you. And every time I look up at it, it makes me smile. So it's been a year since you passed. Where, like, how do you. How are you doing? How do you feel? Like. I know you were, like, in shock when it when you when you passed. Yeah.
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It's been, night and day. You know, I look back at, that time and after I passed, I had some, like, even after I passed, the disbelief of thinking maybe I wasn't going to pass. But I look back and I know I, I did so good on that test. So I would be like, no, there's no doubt in my mind a year later that I knew I would have passed that test.
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And I think a lot of it the difference of that test compared to the other ones, it was I was focused on passing and not failing. But yes, it's, changing my mindset and and going through all that was just all it was. It was it was definitely life changing. The the whole test and finally passing. So when you said you were focused and failing, like, I know, like what?
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What do you mean? Like you were like, actually thinking about what's going to happen when I fail, when you go into the exam. All the previous tests. Yeah. I and and it was, my way of protecting myself. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. So the next time I take it, maybe I'll do this when I should have been like, I'm going to pass this test and taking after I.
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Right after I took the test and driving home, I still had that. Maybe I failed. You know, I don't know if I passed. Opening up the waiting the seven days and opening up that email from NCIS and then seeing the pass and not the read fail. Was almost, like I still couldn't comprehend at that time.
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But a year later, I look back and I'm like, oh, I would have loved to see what I got on that test because of the change in my mindset. Going into that last test that I passed. I it, I knew the material, so I knew the material all the other times, but I was able to put what I knew on paper where it was like, almost like because you train for a marathon and then, you know, you're you triple your shoelace or something.
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You know what? The day of the test. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Marathon and and that's what I kept doing. And that last one changing, I think changing my mindset. Really, really was for me what the help changed. Instead of thinking, oh, how am I going to? And I remember you, I think back, you know, a year and I kind of dissect all our kind of our sessions and you would, you would, you would correct me a lot or just not correct me or just be like, no, no, no, you're going to pass this test.
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You're going to pass that. You're going to pass the. So I would go running and I'd be like, I'm going to pass the PE. Would I be running listening to music or I'm going to pass a PE. I wake up in the morning and say, I'm going to pass the PE. I had stickies all over my computer saying, I'm going to pass the PE.
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And yeah, besides putting the work in and, you know, changing my mindset and that helped get the information out of my brain to the test on test day. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So, how is that like, because I, I know so luckily we we, I feel we become friends. That everything that you went through.
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Unknown
Right. So, if you could share, like, how you feel, you are now and, like, what you've taken, like, to do. Are there things that you still use? Because I talk about, like, some of this stuff is like life skill stuff versus just, sitting there taking a test. So are there still things that we talked about or that you started to implement around when you passed the test that you feel like you're using now?
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Yeah, I use a lot. My mindset like, oh, I can do that. That's the big one. And I keep bringing that up positive mindset and I'm a lot nicer to myself. I before when I failed, I would I, I wasn't you know I be like oh well you know I had imposter syndrome. What if I did this better or, you know, I'm not doing this right.
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What's wrong with me? Now I'm like, I can do it. I'm. I'm a lot nicer to myself, so I change that. I'm also self aware when I feel myself getting into anxiety or stress. Yeah. And that was a big thing that I did during that test. I'd be in a problem. And I feel like getting flush and I feel like I stop and I take deep breaths.
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Unknown
So I still do that a lot. So one of the things I'm always trying to do is get out of my comfort zone and present and speak more, and before I do that, or I have a big meeting or a big client meeting, or I'm trying to, get my point across, I stop and I breathe, I do the breathing, a lot.
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Unknown
And that is, super helpful. So the things that, you taught me with the breathing, self-aware as I'm, you know, getting there, I'm like, okay, all right. I feel myself getting stressed. This is what I need to do. And then the other thing is self-care. I like myself a lot more. I, facials, so, that I remember you saying, oh, do something nice for yourself the day before the test, and I, book that facial, and I didn't realize the facial was in the same building as the test.
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Unknown
I just looked at it because I never did anything nice for myself. And now. So. And I just had my facial this week. So every every six weeks, 5 to 6 weeks, I get a facial at the same place that I took my test. Yes. And then I, I get massages and I definitely, do more self-care and stuff for myself.
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Unknown
Yeah, yeah. And I remember, back. So you said, like, how you talk to yourself. I remember even just looking through because I, we kept a log, of, like, how, like how practice was going. And I remember looking through the log and being like, oh my gosh, I can't because, like, I like you were putting stuff in the log and it wasn't like you were censoring yourself, like someone's going to see this.
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It was just like you keeping notes for yourself, right? I remember looking through and I was like, oh my gosh, like, you're so mean to yourself with so much, right? Yeah, yeah. So that that year, but this tiered society yourself makes me very happy. And then the, the self-care aspect, when you're in the middle of, like, living life and still working and then preparing for such a huge exam, right?
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Unknown
And self-care is usually the first thing to go right, because when you're looking at the number of hours in a day, that's the one thing you'd be like. But I truly believe that part of the self-care is the, is actually what's going to keep you more grounded and present when you're in the exam, like it's actually part of studying, right?
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Unknown
Like that, caring for yourself. And you still did really good with like, physical movement and like exercising and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, and I it's easy to go and I always did in everything, even during all the trauma, I always would run in almost like I'm going to run as hard as I can. It was almost like a punishment for my self because but it I will run until I pass.
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Unknown
Yeah, yeah, it's 100 degrees out. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Two miles today, you know, and and I always used to say anything anybody said to me couldn't be as bad as as how I was always my worst enemy. And I used to say that all the time, which is now I'm not I'm my biggest advocate. Which which is.
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Unknown
That's what I wish I did early. I guess I could say. Yeah. Like, yeah, you go back and talk to my, my younger self. Right? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Then one thing that I know you and I've had several conversations about is this idea of normalizing the fail. Oh, yeah. So what does that mean to you? So, especially in the engineering world.
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Unknown
So. Engineers are, I feel I feel like especially the ones that have passed. So when you are a young engineer and an older, you know, someone who has their p. Engineers are always super confident, and I feel like they downplay the, test. You know, so the narrative, you'll be at certain functions and like, oh, yeah, I studied for six weeks and passed.
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Unknown
Easy peasy. You know, just put the time in and you pass. I barely studied in passed. And nobody, nobody wants to talk about the fail. When you when we've talked about normalizing the failure before and then when you said you sent me the text and I was just so happened to be it was the the New Hampshire HSC conference.
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Unknown
It was that evening and I was on I was probably there was probably 12 of us. And I brought it up at the table. So the 12 engineers and they, they were like, oh, it's Sam, Sam, one of, someone I work with, and he's, he passed first trial. I go, Sam's, you know, super smart. And they always bring up the, typical super smart engineer who there are them that are really good test takers and pass.
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Unknown
And then in front of everyone. I said I took it ten times on that side. And and they're all like I said, but that's okay. You know, I said it's about normalizing it. And then and then the the talk shifted to like, no, you're right. People don't when you talk about things that were harder and not everybody takes a test like Sam or other people who who take it and who study in six weeks and then pass.
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Unknown
Right. There are people, more people, I think, like me, that that have test anxiety and need to do do certain things and learn certain tools to get past the test and the more you bring up that you failed, you realize there's a lot more people that are like, oh yeah, I failed to, and I had to do this.
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And by normalizing the fail, it takes away the shame of the fail because there's empathy and we're all in this together and and we can work together and be like, oh, wow, that's what I did. And you can. The more you talk about it, the more you normalize it, the less shame you have to take it again. You know, and you know, when you say, like when I've said, oh, I've taken the test before, they're like, oh, have you tried a program like school AP and you're like, you know, I did the school B I did more time.
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Unknown
You need to put more time in. I heard that time and time again. Put more time in, and that wasn't the case. And I think talking about failing was more beneficial to me and my colleagues that have failed then to talk about it more. So, for me, it's about normalizing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And because like, like you're saying.
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Unknown
Right, like you have the people that I studied for six weeks and I passed. Right. So those are usually the, the success stories, right, that you hear. And as engineers, like, we're all smart, we're all booksmart. We had to be to make it through engineering school, right? Like, we're we're good test takers. And so but the the f e and the P have a different feel to them because kind of like when you're in school and you're like, taking thermodynamics.
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Unknown
My favorite topic. And I'd be like for a moment I couldn't. Yeah. But, you, you like, learn that material, and then you take the test and you write, like, whatever grade you get on it, or. Right. But the FBI and the P, not only does it have a different weight to it, right. Because it helps direct your career versus just the way graduate.
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Unknown
Right. But the it's all of the topics and it's the length of the test. Like as everything about it has a different feel to it. And so even if you didn't have a lot of anxiety in college, it could show up, right? Because of just the the weight of the exam. And then like what you're saying with the shame, right?
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Unknown
Well, if I was always a good student and now all of a sudden I pass, it's like, what the hell, right? Or I fail, right? Like, what the hell? What? What's wrong with me? Exactly what's wrong with me? Yeah. When you don't talk about it, is the shame is is such the shame and a lot. It's talked about a lot in the engineering industry.
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Unknown
What a cool a like. Hey, hey, you studying for the P? You get to be ready. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah I six months and and so nobody you know talks about it. So I'm, I bring it up all the time and. Yeah. Yeah. And I think people feel better especially the younger engineers that's like hey yeah. Listen, you know, I struggled with that test anxiety, trauma.
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Unknown
If you need any help, let me know. It is it is a lot. It is. You know, I learned because everyone kept saying, oh, you got to put more time in. I learned so much about traffic. I'm a storm water engineer and water resources. But let me tell you, crash modification factors. So like I, I still, I think, dream about, about traffic.
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Unknown
So yeah.
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Unknown
It's, it sounds more like nightmares. Yeah, a little bit. A little bit, and the, I it's really nice that there are forums like Reddit where you can post anonymously. Right. And like, like if, if, say it work. Right. You don't want to share that you failed, right? Like I was. There's people every day posting on Reddit that they failed.
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Unknown
But it's still because it's anonymous. I still find that some people on there are like what you're saying like, well, I studied and I passed or if you put in the time, right, like it still can feel very judgmental with what people are saying because it's anonymous. They don't have to. Right? Yeah yeah yeah yeah I love I love the ones where they put up the like how bad did I do.
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Unknown
Oh horrible. You got you're so like I would, I wouldn't go on that every day and I like I can't do this to myself. Oh yeah. Yeah. Like I'm still it's, they're people, so I shouldn't be stunned. But I'm always surprised when I see people say, like, rude stuff when people are being so vulnerable of like, yes, right.
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Unknown
I'm just looking for some support. And, yeah. And the vulnerability is such a huge part of the retest taking. So when someone and that's the other thing that you need to kind of I mean like we're not the same someone who's like, oh yeah, I study for six weeks and then I passed like, I don't I don't get, you know, the big deal until you seen that read fail multiple times.
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Unknown
It's it's it's having to read redo the test. You have to pay. You know, there's an expense involved. Yeah. And then I remember just the stress of signing up again was so stressful. And I'd be like, we're not the same until you do this, you know? And and that's great that your experience is like that. And I hope everyone has that experience.
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Unknown
But being vulnerable to put yourself out there again and again is, is is you just have to do it. Because in our field that's how you advance. You know, the test doesn't the P test the person I was before I took the P, for what I, for my technical skills and the engineer I was has not changed from after I'm taking and passed.
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Unknown
I can stamp my stuff and it's great and I'm so glad I did it. But personally, as an engineer, it hasn't changed my technical and who I am as an engineer and and it's hard before you pass to understand that until after until you get to the other side. Yeah. And I don't I don't know why this popped into my head as you're talking about it, but when we're talking about, like, every person's experience being the same, it would kind of like we're both moms, right?
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Unknown
It's kind of like someone like, oh, I was in labor for an hour and I pushed once and oh, pop, there's my baby, right? Like, oh, well, you hope you're that. Yeah. This is good. Where are you kidding me? I labored for 48 hours. Right. Emergency C-section. Yeah. No, that's that's exactly right. Like everyone and each every child has their own birth story.
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Unknown
That's completely different than the other ones. It's kind of like that with, like, just because someone pass the P, they can't be like, I can. What do you mean? You couldn't just pop out a baby in an hour and like, not right. Right. It's. And that's exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Every experience is different. And acknowledging that just because it takes a little longer for someone to pass the test doesn't make them any better, or any less of an engineer of someone who just did the six weeks.
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Unknown
Yeah. And exactly. Yeah. So how do you look back now at the, attempts that that you've, that you did fail like, obviously they made you into the person that you are, right. But, I think so the through when I was going through my divorce and all that, those times were very stressful. I had a lot of self-doubt.
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Unknown
I had a lot of, imposter syndrome, not feeling like I was smart enough or, you know, you know, not wanting to read the Reddits where now I read the Reddit and I'm like, you can do it. You can do it. So, and remembering I wanted to give up, but I knew I couldn't. There was something in me that I had to keep trying.
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Unknown
And I kept thinking, what is wrong with me? What is wrong? You know, what can I do? So I promised the last after, my kids were older, and then I started again. Which was the last three times I took it. And I was thinking, you know, what can I do different for each one? So the first one I took, I took the school AP and, I failed.
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Unknown
That was right when, my mom died in September, and then I took it in October, so I thought, okay, so then the second time I studied as much as I could, I put tons and thousands of hours in it, and I tried to do something different. I looked online, I tried different things. And that consumed so much of my time.
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Unknown
And I felt like I would almost, I would say, punish myself to be like, oh, when I pass, by myself. Watch. I really wanted. And if I pass, I'm going to sell my house and move closer to the office. If I pass, I'm going to, you know, travel more. Yeah. And looking back at the the attempts before I passed, I wasn't nice to myself.
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Unknown
You know, the, the mindset. I thought something was wrong with me. And, that last fail, which to me was, was so much like I, I couldn't understand. It was out of my trauma. I took the school of PE, and I was going to do anything to figure out how to pass this. And that's when I went to see if I had a learning disability.
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Unknown
I thought I had wanted to split but so. Right, right. The psychiatrist and got tested and he's like you don't have a learning disability. But he was great. So I saw him once a month to talk about trauma and different strategies. And then listening to you on that podcast, just typing that in and learning, having, going, having that Google, you watching my transition from self-doubt, not liking myself, to to oh, okay.
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Unknown
Seeing you once a month, I felt like that you could look and go, and then you would just talk to me and try this. Try that. Yeah. And that was super helpful. And putting the stickies all around that I'm going to pass. Yeah. So looking back at the attempts before I passed, I think of just stress and self-doubt.
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Unknown
Yeah. Well, I'm glad that you stuck with it, because all those, it's been a fun in the past year to watch you, because I remember, like, when you passed, you were like, it's almost like, what do I do to fill with a fill all the time that I was using for studying? And I was like, you're going to take that list of the things that you've been putting off, and that's what you're going to start doing.
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Unknown
So it's been fun to see you do that. Over, over the past year. For engineers who are struggling with trying trying to pass or maybe they struggled with the and now it's time for the PE. And they're like trauma already from struggling with the F before they even take the PE. Why do you, why do you think that that sticks or how does that the how does being an engineer come into play with taking these exams?
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Unknown
Like doing both like. Yeah, yeah. I think it's a, it's a, it's a balance. Of, of going through, you know, so when you're an engineer and you're, going through the work, it's setting like time, you know. Is that kind of what you're asking? You know? Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm asking. Yeah, yeah, it's it's setting a schedule and setting a time.
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Unknown
So I personally, I felt like I didn't have an issue with that because I put every time I did I was like failed. I would go, okay, I would add more time. So I think so, but I think, well, I think that's a default mode for a lot of us because that's what we've learned, right? Yeah, yeah. So I think setting a schedule but also setting sometimes setting things to so during the times when I was in passing, I read a lot of books, Bernie Brown book, especially The Rising Strong.
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Unknown
I a lot of that. And I think for younger engineers taking it, being positive, being good to yourself, but also setting a schedule and setting, you know, time to take the test in time to study and, and going through all the subjects and going through practice exams and, and learning. I guess one of the things that helped me, the last attempt, it's easy to, to work on things, you're good at because in your conferences.
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Unknown
So yeah. So you're like, you work on these things you're so good at and but if you only work on the things you're good at to build up the confidence, there's, there's going to be that whole half of a test that, you know, I used to call the things I suck at, and I don't know if you remember, I'd be like, oh, these are the things I suck that.
00:29:27:01 - 00:29:47:25
Unknown
Yeah. And I would spend so much time on the things I suck at, and then I would take the things that I worked on, and then I would take a practice test and the things I suck at and then the ones I got right. But like, go, I put it into the, you know, into the category. Okay, I'm I got that now.
00:29:47:25 - 00:30:17:00
Unknown
Now work on I need to work more on these things that I still suck at. And then I would go through those I know, I know, but but that that process, was uncomfortable and I think it made me feel more, like I wasn't advancing or doing, you know, my confidence was, wasn't it took me longer to get that confidence.
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Unknown
But then once I mastered that skill, like craft, my education factors and traffic and things that I don't do all the time, I had even I felt great because I, I conquered that. So it wasn't easy, but I got past it. Yeah. And I think one thing that, was very evident to me is that you're very honest with yourself, and I think that might be something that some people struggle with.
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Unknown
Where. Okay, well, I'm going to study, right. Like I'm putting in the time, but maybe I'm putting in the time and things that are what the things I don't suck at, right. To help with. Like, right, like like I'm doing the work, but is it I'm doing the right work kind of thing. Right. Exactly. Yeah. And then it's almost like a wasted time too.
00:31:10:06 - 00:31:31:09
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. Constantly working on things you're good at. You're not you're not advancing. Yeah, yeah. Or if you're doing things passively like, well, I watched a video on this thing that I suck at. Well, if you're not taking anything from the stuff that you're doing, it's just wasted time. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would take notes and go back to it.
00:31:31:12 - 00:31:51:18
Unknown
Sometimes I would reread like go through YouTube videos and then stop it and then, you know, go, but yeah. And you had pages and pages of notes to then you oh, I did, I did it and I would put it all in the Google Drive, on the things that I wasn't good at, I would snip them, but remember, I'd have them all.
00:31:51:23 - 00:32:21:19
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. Just so I would have them. And then you could see them also. Yeah. Yeah. So, that that's a huge part of it is, is, is getting through the, the honesty, you know, it is hard to look in the mirror and be like, you fail this a bunch of times. You you need to do something different because obviously what you've been doing is not working.
00:32:21:22 - 00:32:57:02
Unknown
Right? Right, right. For me, I'm like, find what works for you, find your Kryptonite, find whatever that is, and kill it. And yeah, and just and conquer it. It's a great feeling once. Yeah. It's different for everybody. You shared a story with me about someone at WTS who hadn't passed her fee, correct? Yes. Yeah. How can you can you share a little bit about that moment and then what it was like for you to watch her relief as you were sharing your stuff?
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Unknown
Your stuff? Yeah. So we were at a WTS event and I was talking to her about, you know, different things. And, she said, oh, I just want to tell you something that, I, have not passed my family yet. And for me, we were talking for a while, and I was so surprised. It was something she had a really hard time coming out with.
00:33:27:19 - 00:33:54:21
Unknown
So I was with another colleague. So I, you know, I just passed my another colleague, she had her fee there about the same age we were talking about, you know, the company I work at and the potential, like, coming over and she, the it was really hard. We talked. So while it was so hard for her to finally say that, and I, it kind of just broke my heart.
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Unknown
I was like, oh, no, don't worry about that. You were going to pass. And I told her about, the, you know, Sierra, at work and how she struggled. And she's very open about her struggle again, normalizing the failure. So let's talk about it. And once I said that to her, she had such a relief cycle and it changed from I don't have my fee to, well, I took it and then I didn't pass.
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Unknown
And then I was like, that's okay. It happens to all of us. And she had so much relief. We interviewed her and. I was with a couple other colleagues. I didn't bring it up, but another colleague brought it up and she was very open. And she said, I'm working towards I took it and I did not pass.
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Unknown
And inside I was like, yes. I was like, yeah. I said, yeah, that happens to the best of us. And and, but the other people in the room and in interviewing setting was very like, oh, okay. And she talked about the time struggles of how the she didn't realize that the first hack or not, I hated the time, struggled to it.
00:35:13:24 - 00:35:33:08
Unknown
And that and that's the thing that yeah, it counts down and you have to know when to stop because then that initial. So when you go in there, so when you go into the the testing center, you go in and they're like, oh, because they all knew my name because I went there so much. But anyway, they were like, oh, oh you oh we back.
00:35:33:10 - 00:35:54:07
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. Like oh we have a P. She's here for nine hours and every like nine hours. Oh my god. Yeah yeah. But you when the, when you hit the thing the time starts goes backwards. So when you stop that time that's when you have left for the second half. So you stop it. You eat your lunch, then you go back for the second half.
00:35:54:09 - 00:36:14:10
Unknown
She saw it was so small and then it restart. So she had like 40 minutes with the second half. So and they don't really tell you that, you know it's so stressful. The test is so stressful going in there. They you know the like I remember going in there and they were like oh they like frisk you. They frisk you and they're like, they're checking your bum.
00:36:14:11 - 00:36:48:26
Unknown
And I'm like, oh, I put my, you know, I just checking my hood and you want to be comfortable and yeah, it so I felt great when she mentioned at the interview that she, she's working towards it and that, you know, and she talked about her struggle and because that becomes real and, and people get real people like you and, and and it is it's the honesty and being real with yourself.
00:36:48:28 - 00:37:15:05
Unknown
And. Yeah. Yeah. Changing the mindset to yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you for sharing that. So if someone who has not passed yet and is carrying a lot of shame around it, what do you want them to hear? Like what do you want them to take away from this? Focus on passing. Focus 100% on passing.
00:37:15:05 - 00:37:42:00
Unknown
The next time. Don't think about failing. Think about passing and change your mindset every day. Wake up and say, I'm going to pass the F, I'm going to pass the P, work on the things you suck at, put the work in. Yeah, it's not only putting the work in, it's changing your mindset. Focus on passing. Be kind to yourself.
00:37:42:03 - 00:38:21:11
Unknown
And never give up because you will pass. You will pass. You will pass. Exactly. Yes. So a year from now, when we have another, another catch up on the podcast, what do you hope you'll be telling me then? Well, I've been working on a lot of, growing the stormwater at my company, so I'm hoping to, be running, having more people, working for me and doing more business development and running more of, my own, stormwater practice, like with within my company.
00:38:21:12 - 00:38:54:13
Unknown
MJ. Yeah. So one thing growing me personally presenting more and and hoping I can change the, the way we view sailing. Yeah, I think you I think you already are, is obsessed with with the engineer that was comfortable enough sharing during the interview. Right. That that she failed. Yes. 100%. Yeah. You actually got to see that in real time.
00:38:54:13 - 00:39:19:25
Unknown
And the more we talk about it, the more it's going to change. Yes. Probably not as fast as we wanted to, you know, but but it's just even having starting the dialog. Exactly, exactly. People don't have to hide on Reddit. Yes, yes. And for those trolls that yeah, I know that's perfect. I pass in six weeks. What's your problem?
00:39:20:00 - 00:39:48:05
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. And, they're out there, but it it's not everyone. Yeah. And I actually don't think it's the majority I think. Yeah, yeah. And I and sometimes I wonder how honest they're being, you know. Yeah. Very true. Exactly like. Oh yeah. It's easy you know. And because then it, it sends a, the wrong narrative to the person who's trying to work towards it and they're like, oh, I can barely stay.
00:39:48:11 - 00:40:10:12
Unknown
And I think a lot of, a lot of people do that sometimes the first time is because they like, oh yeah, it's easy. This person did it, you know, just like the layman. I mean, I remember thinking to when I had my kids like, oh, maybe I'll be like that, but, you know, you never are, you know, it's like and then.
00:40:10:14 - 00:40:22:15
Unknown
Well, thank you so much for joining me. And, thank you for listening to the Assessment Alchemist podcast. Thank you. Thank you for having me.
