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Hello and welcome to a week two of, the From Panic to P series and the assessment Alchemist podcast. I am Tina Wiles, and I am your guide on this journey from panic to P, and it's one to welcome you to the podcast. Thank you for joining. This is a six part series. Last week was week one, and I talked about how smart engineers because we're engineers, we did.
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We're good students. How smart engineers fail the p and not or f e and that because of what they know. But what happens on test day. Okay. And the data shows through the data through NC s shows that repeat pass rates are lower than for the first time. Okay. This week we're going to talk about why studying harder, which is the first thing we want to do when we find out we fail, is can actually make things worse.
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Unknown
Okay, so today's episode is when studying harder backfires. All right. So, I'm going to paint the picture for you, right? And you're an engineer. You failed the p or f e once, maybe twice, maybe more. Right? And you're like, okay, now it's time to, like, lock in and study in ways I didn't study the first time I took it or the second time I took it, right?
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So you're studying harder than ever. Late night, early mornings, practice problems, trying to find more practice problems, talking to friends who have past and what practice problems they used. Maybe you invest in a new prep course. Posted everywhere of what reference materials you need to use and where you're looking, and using the data that you got from when you failed to figure out what sections you want to brush up.
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And even more, right? You're committed to dominating the the F or P, you are so ready to like, just kill it because you don't want to feel like you feel after when you fail it right? And the question is, what if everything you're doing right now is actually going to make it worse? All right, so what do I mean by that?
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Unknown
So, when we look at the data that I mentioned for, failing the, the p, the, and the true on the left to basically an on any standardized test, actually. But 60% of people pass these crazy exams. The first time they take them. Okay, obviously that means 40% fail. Like I said, very standard. What surprises me, well, doesn't surprise me, actually, but is that 60% of repeat takers fail.
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Unknown
Let me say that again in a different way. On the repeat exams, 40% of the test takers pass. Okay. And yes, the the data is different, right? Engineers who pass the first time aren't taking it again. Right. So that's actually selection bias. That is part of the reason right. Like your data your pool, who you're taking the data from are now people that have only failed the one time they took it.
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Unknown
And then those people out of the people that failed the first time, only 40% go on to actually pass when they take it repeatedly. Okay. And so yes, there is selection bias in that data. But you would think with knowing what you what with sections, you'd care. Yeah. Sections that sections what categories of problems you struggled with the first time.
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Unknown
Right. Because you get the, the data. Here's where how many questions? What you compared to people that have passed the exam as far as how many questions you're getting, right or wrong, so you could see the areas that that you were weaker in and the areas that you're struggling and, you've already set for the test once.
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So you know, mentally what it looks like, what the process you have to go through for checking in. Right. Like some of the variables that you had the first time are no longer there. Right? Like you have some experience with taking it, but I also think you introduce a whole new range of variables that weren't there the first time.
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Unknown
Okay. And so that is what I think is needs to be addressed. And very few people talk about okay. So when I think there's three things that happen at once if went like that introduces the variables. So I think your sleep gets worse. The anxiety compounds and identity narrows. Okay. So let me talk about those a little bit more.
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Unknown
For the for sleep. So this, these things kind of stack on each other and they might stack on each other or play, depending on the type of test taker. You are right. A certain areas can affect you more. But the, your sleep gets worse by you're trying to fit in more times. For studying.
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Unknown
It could also be sacrificing just downtime, like when you would normally have rest time where you're not sleeping, but you're not actually working. That that diminishes when you're still there trying to actually work on doing additional practice for the test. Right. So both sleep and downtime are actually essential for being able to remember information when you're studying.
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Unknown
Okay. So when we sleep, our brain moves what we learn from short term to long term memory. Okay. And so what happens is when we're when we're not sleeping as much as we were, the stuff that's in our short term memory from studying isn't getting transferred to the long term memory like it should, which means less retention of what you're actually studying.
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Unknown
Okay. And then downtime. Like I said, the time when your, chillin, watching TV or playing a game or. Right, like where you're having time, where you're not actively thinking and working, that is just as essential to being able to perform on a test as sleep is. Okay. And as because when you start focusing on work or studying, your brain activates something called the default mode network.
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Unknown
Okay. So it feels like you're not doing anything, but actually your brain is working and processing what you've learned and connecting it to what you already know and basically just processing your day and what you've done. So cutting your downtime to squeeze in more study doesn't give you more learning necessarily. It takes away what your body needs to lock in what you are learning.
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Unknown
Okay. Now, so I'm not saying obviously don't study, just saying be aware. If if you're like, I'm just going to pull a couple all nighters leading up to the test that you might be doing the work and pulling the all nighters, that doesn't mean that you're retaining anything of what you're doing when you're studying during those times.
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Unknown
Okay. So so sleep could be affected. Anxiety compounds okay. So the first failure creates a new baseline for your stress that doesn't reset. Right. So what I mean by that is now like you have the history of I did all of this work and put in all of this time and money and effort and I failed. So the, the you're already like at a higher level of anxiety because now you're having to go through and do all of this again when you've already done it.
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Unknown
And the cortisol that is like the stress hormone, affects the encoding of our memories and the retrieval of our memories. So more studying with high cortisol in your body actually means that you're learning less per hour, that you study. Okay. Basically, it's hard to learn new information, and it actually can lead to forgetfulness and brain fog.
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Unknown
So you're not learning as much when you said to study and then the identity comes into play. Okay. So before you failed, you were the engineer who's preparing for an exam. Right? But that was part of what you did, right? In addition to everything else. And now it's almost become a bigger thing because now it's your it's like you failed at once and now it's like more right?
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Unknown
It's more dominant. It's bigger in your life because now it's a bigger hurdle that you want to get over. And when you've always been a great student, it's a shock to your system when you know what happened. And I failed and I know my stuff and it might have be embarrassed. You might not want to tell people frustrated, sad.
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Unknown
Shame. So your self-worth can come tied to I want to pass this test because it means my res. It means, getting a stamp. It means getting credit for work that I've already doing at that level. But I just don't have the P behind my name. Right. So all of that puts even additional pressure on the test. Okay.
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Unknown
And, this all combined can mean you're unintentionally setting yourself up for issues when you go through and take the test. Right. So these three things, the sleep, the anxiety and the identity show up as patterns. Okay. And in 20 years, working with people, taking these high stress, standardized exams, I think there's two patterns that show up very frequently with engineers.
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Unknown
Okay. And the first one is called the shutdown, or what I call the shutdown or. Okay. So, the, the shutdown or is is like, I think the lack of sleep affect affects the shutdown or more, and what the, what the shutdown or feels like is like, they walk in feeling unprepared no matter how much time you've put in, it's leaving like blinking and questions that if someone asked you before you walked in that you knew called right, or it's blinking on a question and you walk out of the exam and you remember as soon as you walk out, right?
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Unknown
And so what the problem with the shutdown hour is, is that if you have this, your sympathetic nervous system, your fight or flight mode gets sensitized because test day isn't the first time the fight or flight is firing, right? It's been firing and firing and firing and firing. As you've been going through these weeks and months of prep leading up to the test.
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Unknown
So the, the, the it's so sensitive that if you've heard fight flight or freeze, this is like that, right? This is, the freeze. And the more that you study, the harder that you study, the more hours that you're putting and the more problems that you're doing, the more sensitized you can get to this actually happening.
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Unknown
Right? So in a way, a preparation can actually become the problem. Yeah. So yeah, by test day preparation and like how much you're doing can actually be the, the problem. Right. Like remember I've talked to people that are like, oh, I been doing six hours of prep every night of the week, and on Saturdays and Sundays I sit down and do like ten hours of problems.
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Unknown
Yeah, that is not letting anything that you're doing actually stick or the majority of what you're doing actually stick, right. Another pattern that shows up very frequently is what I call the wall hitter. So the wall hitter feels more like, you're studying from the. I have to prove I could do this kind of mode. Like I said, when I mentioned, like, it's kind of like the wall gets bigger of what your hurdle of I want to pass goes up and up, right.
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Unknown
So the, relationship with learning the material and preparing for the test can kind of get lost, right? The exam becomes the wall. So, like I mentioned, the job title, the res, the stamp. That is what passing means. Versus I can show my material. I could show my knowledge of the test. Right. Your self worth almost fuzes with the test result.
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Unknown
Okay. And it starts treating the test is more more as an identity threat than an academic challenge. Okay. The practice problems either like become evidence. You either got it right, which proves that you're capable or you get it wrong and you're not capable of passing the test right. And so your entire experience of studying is exhausting. It.
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Unknown
Yeah, you have to defend yourself almost from the material to prove to yourself that you know it. Right. And, almost. If I suffer enough, I know I'll actually deserve to pass. Right. So putting off vacations, not getting things that you want to or like I want to, I really want this new tech gadget, but I can't let myself get it until I pass my AP.
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Unknown
Right. So that's not strategy for passing the test. It's you're trying to pay penance and there's nothing for you to prove, right? You know, the stuff you basically, you can't study your way out of an identity crisis. Okay. So what is the actual answer? Right. So instead of asking, how can I study more, you want to start asking, what does my nervous system need?
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Unknown
So it doesn't betray me when I'm sitting there taking the test. Right. So like I mentioned, I'm not saying don't study, right. It is a test. There's content you need to know. Practice is essential, but only doing more studying isn't the answer, right? So that part of your time that you're like blocking for studying actually becomes like, I need to make sure I'm sleeping, right?
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Unknown
I have downtime, you're doing stuff to regulate your nervous system. Mindfulness, exercise, meditation, identity work. Right? All of that doesn't feel like test prep, but it is, because all of that is what's going to help with focus, retention of what you learn. And then recall when you're sitting there taking the test. So, it might look like pacing your prep differently than you have been.
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Unknown
What are you doing two months out from your exam? What are you doing one month out from your exam? One, one person I spoke with was like, okay, like today you're not doing any practice problems. You're going to pull out whatever your favorite craft or art or. Right, like do something for the right side of your brain, like listen to music, dance.
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Unknown
I crochet, right? Like do something that fuels your soul instead of fueling your mind. Right. All of like I said, all of that doesn't feel like studying, but it doesn't feel like prep. It's not studying. It doesn't feel like test prep, but it is what's going to help with you during the actual exam. Okay, so I'll be sharing information on what to do, like over the next four weeks of this series.
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Unknown
Yeah. The well, look, we'll walk through what it looks like in practice. So how to pace your prep, how to regulate your nervous system. How can you do some of this identity work. Right. And in two weeks, we're going to talk to an engineer engineer that lived this exact cycle. And, actually failed nine times and passed on the 10th and what her life looks like, pre and post passing this exam.
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Unknown
Right. So, if you failed, the PE or the C, and you respond by studying harder, you're not making a mistake. You're doing what we know to do, and we're going to just throw more time and effort into it. Right? It's what we're trained to do. The mistake is the training. It's not you. Right. And so you need to think about the next four weeks in a different way.
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Unknown
And, excited to be on this journey with you. If you want the rest of this series, from panic to PE, I'm doing a weekly blog about it as well. If you want the blog post delivered to your inbox, go ahead over to my tutor.com and it will. There's a link there to sign up for the From Panic to PE.
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Unknown
If you want to figure out which of the five test, taker patterns you are. So today I talked about the, the wall hitter and the shutdown. Or if you want to find out which one you are, you can also take the mindset quiz at my tutor.com. That's, why the number 2tor.com. And I'll see you next week.
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Unknown
Thanks for joining me.